1 00:00:22,470 --> 00:00:09,080 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:25,120 hello and welcome to the skeptics our 3 00:00:32,740 --> 00:00:29,450 own episode number 363 for the fourth of 4 00:00:34,450 --> 00:00:32,750 October 2015 Richard Saunders here with 5 00:00:37,450 --> 00:00:34,460 you from Sydney Australia are you 6 00:00:40,030 --> 00:00:37,460 warming up heating up temperatures 7 00:00:41,979 --> 00:00:40,040 rising that was an old joke Sydney 8 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:41,989 Australia summer is on the way it's 9 00:00:45,340 --> 00:00:43,730 practically here people are at the beach 10 00:00:49,510 --> 00:00:45,350 today it was only a couple of weeks ago 11 00:00:51,310 --> 00:00:49,520 it was nice and crispy cold well you 12 00:00:54,549 --> 00:00:51,320 didn't tune into the skeptic zone for a 13 00:00:56,410 --> 00:00:54,559 weather report today coming up on this 14 00:00:58,840 --> 00:00:56,420 week's show a bit of a short show this 15 00:01:01,390 --> 00:00:58,850 week it's a it's a holiday here in 16 00:01:03,729 --> 00:01:01,400 Australia the long weekend they caught 17 00:01:07,539 --> 00:01:03,739 I've got some things to do after visit 18 00:01:09,789 --> 00:01:07,549 my mother so a bit of a shortened 19 00:01:11,950 --> 00:01:09,799 skeptic zone nevertheless I hope you 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:11,960 find it interesting and this week we 21 00:01:18,450 --> 00:01:14,170 have an interview with a really really 22 00:01:23,350 --> 00:01:18,460 fascinating man from Israel run levy now 23 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:23,360 he is an author he's a podcaster mostly 24 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:25,730 in Hebrew but recently he's taken up 25 00:01:32,470 --> 00:01:29,530 producing a new podcast curious minds 26 00:01:34,690 --> 00:01:32,480 curious minds podcast and in an 27 00:01:36,340 --> 00:01:34,700 interview i chat to him about all sorts 28 00:01:39,580 --> 00:01:36,350 of things why he put the podcast 29 00:01:41,380 --> 00:01:39,590 together and we sort of ramble a bit and 30 00:01:44,860 --> 00:01:41,390 end up talking about Laura Geller 31 00:01:48,430 --> 00:01:44,870 another famous Israeli and free energy 32 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:48,440 and you'll find out more about this new 33 00:01:52,390 --> 00:01:50,570 and very interesting podcast so that's 34 00:01:54,910 --> 00:01:52,400 this week's episode we also of course 35 00:01:57,610 --> 00:01:54,920 have a week in science from the Royal 36 00:01:59,380 --> 00:01:57,620 Institution of Australia before we get 37 00:02:01,390 --> 00:01:59,390 stuck into the skeptics on don't forget 38 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:01,400 Susan Kovac is in the country at the 39 00:02:07,050 --> 00:02:03,650 moment and she's already been giving 40 00:02:09,490 --> 00:02:07,060 some talk to our friends in Victoria and 41 00:02:12,809 --> 00:02:09,500 alleged you know of course she's coming 42 00:02:15,479 --> 00:02:12,819 to Sydney she'll be here this Thursday 43 00:02:18,550 --> 00:02:15,489 skeptics in the pub on the eighth of 44 00:02:20,699 --> 00:02:18,560 October at the crown hotel for those 45 00:02:22,930 --> 00:02:20,709 people in Sydney please come along it 46 00:02:25,530 --> 00:02:22,940 promises to be a very interesting night 47 00:02:29,090 --> 00:02:25,540 and then of course you'll be speaking on 48 00:02:31,220 --> 00:02:29,100 the 11th of October at 49 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:31,230 Stratton's hotel just around the corner 50 00:02:34,910 --> 00:02:32,730 for those people who know Sydney and 51 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:34,920 it's an afternoon event and afternoon 52 00:02:40,100 --> 00:02:37,530 with Susan go Beck talking about how to 53 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:40,110 edit Wikipedia and some of her skeptical 54 00:02:46,190 --> 00:02:43,770 adventures go to meetup com /a ust 55 00:02:48,530 --> 00:02:46,200 skeptics aust skeptics for more 56 00:02:51,020 --> 00:02:48,540 information and not to be outdone by our 57 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:51,030 sydney folks the people in canberra will 58 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:52,770 be having a special guest speaker joe 59 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:54,810 nickell who will also be appearing at 60 00:02:58,490 --> 00:02:56,250 the australian skeptics national 61 00:03:00,110 --> 00:02:58,500 convention get your tickets now just 62 00:03:01,940 --> 00:03:00,120 Google Australian skeptics National 63 00:03:03,530 --> 00:03:01,950 Convention Brisbane can't wait to see 64 00:03:05,900 --> 00:03:03,540 you there just look for the skeptic zone 65 00:03:08,810 --> 00:03:05,910 table to meet me may not a run so give 66 00:03:10,490 --> 00:03:08,820 Heidi Joe and as many other people as 67 00:03:13,340 --> 00:03:10,500 possible we can fit in but nevertheless 68 00:03:15,230 --> 00:03:13,350 as I was saying Joe Nickell will be 69 00:03:18,050 --> 00:03:15,240 speaking in Canberra on the 70 00:03:21,140 --> 00:03:18,060 twenty-second of October from 6pm til 71 00:03:25,070 --> 00:03:21,150 730 p.m. at the copland theatre building 72 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:25,080 25 kingsley street anu that's only five 73 00:03:28,370 --> 00:03:26,610 dollars to go along if you're not a 74 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:28,380 member of the Canberra skeptics or if 75 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:30,930 you are remember it's free you might 76 00:03:34,730 --> 00:03:32,850 want to join up on the night canberra 77 00:03:36,470 --> 00:03:34,740 skeptics is delighted to present a QA 78 00:03:39,500 --> 00:03:36,480 with one of the leading figures in the 79 00:03:41,030 --> 00:03:39,510 skeptical movement Joe Nickell Joe has 80 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:41,040 been called the modern sherlock holmes 81 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:43,650 and the real life Scully a very 82 00:03:49,820 --> 00:03:46,170 entertaining man a very interesting man 83 00:03:53,690 --> 00:03:49,830 I suggest that you go to ww canberra 84 00:03:55,610 --> 00:03:53,700 skeptics or beg you for more information 85 00:03:57,770 --> 00:03:55,620 on that event oh that's enough for me 86 00:03:59,870 --> 00:03:57,780 I'm going to run downstairs well I could 87 00:04:02,030 --> 00:03:59,880 I'll let you in on a secret I'll it I am 88 00:04:05,030 --> 00:04:02,040 downstairs this week in fact I've 89 00:04:07,430 --> 00:04:05,040 recording to you from a microphone 90 00:04:12,580 --> 00:04:07,440 sitting on top of Fred's cat post on a 91 00:04:15,710 --> 00:04:12,590 box fred is behind me on the footstool 92 00:04:21,410 --> 00:04:15,720 looking a little bit worried at what I'm 93 00:04:22,580 --> 00:04:21,420 doing although frog I digress I'm not 94 00:04:24,710 --> 00:04:22,590 going to run downstairs because I am 95 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:24,720 downstairs I'm going to walk over to the 96 00:04:29,420 --> 00:04:26,910 kitchen which isn't far from here I'm 97 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:29,430 going to have a nice can of root beer 98 00:04:33,470 --> 00:04:31,410 which I bought the other day bit 99 00:04:35,210 --> 00:04:33,480 expensive but hey why not and then I'm 100 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:35,220 going to open up this box the microphone 101 00:04:41,030 --> 00:04:40,050 sitting on and make myself a waffle how 102 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:41,040 about that 103 00:05:06,369 --> 00:04:43,650 well I'm doing all that I hope you enjoy 104 00:05:12,290 --> 00:05:09,559 and joining me now all the way from 105 00:05:13,999 --> 00:05:12,300 Israel now we don't chat too many people 106 00:05:16,339 --> 00:05:14,009 from Israel so I'm delighted to catch up 107 00:05:18,950 --> 00:05:16,349 with run levy from a little place called 108 00:05:23,809 --> 00:05:18,960 outlet which is near Tel Aviv is that 109 00:05:26,829 --> 00:05:23,819 right run it's Israel as a small country 110 00:05:29,209 --> 00:05:26,839 so everything is white you tell of you I 111 00:05:30,679 --> 00:05:29,219 imagine you all right I didn't think of 112 00:05:33,499 --> 00:05:30,689 it like that coming from Australia of 113 00:05:35,679 --> 00:05:33,509 course where everything is is three days 114 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:35,689 journey by jet or something like that 115 00:05:40,339 --> 00:05:38,490 that's great now the reason that where 116 00:05:42,100 --> 00:05:40,349 we've hooked up with you today and as I 117 00:05:45,589 --> 00:05:42,110 told my listeners at the top of the show 118 00:05:48,379 --> 00:05:45,599 you're behind a relatively new podcast 119 00:05:50,510 --> 00:05:48,389 out there called curious minds and this 120 00:05:52,850 --> 00:05:50,520 is the podcast for science technology in 121 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:52,860 history and there are some episodes up 122 00:05:57,350 --> 00:05:55,770 there already and I was where I was on a 123 00:05:58,759 --> 00:05:57,360 bus the other day and I thought I build 124 00:06:01,040 --> 00:05:58,769 this into one of these episodes and I 125 00:06:03,860 --> 00:06:01,050 listened to the one about World War two 126 00:06:08,149 --> 00:06:03,870 and the boats the u-boats what a 127 00:06:09,619 --> 00:06:08,159 fascinating podcast that was talking 128 00:06:12,999 --> 00:06:09,629 about science and history it was very 129 00:06:16,159 --> 00:06:13,009 interesting what what inspired you to 130 00:06:18,709 --> 00:06:16,169 get into this podcasting and why did you 131 00:06:20,570 --> 00:06:18,719 choose this angle I mean we already have 132 00:06:22,790 --> 00:06:20,580 online some other episodes you've done 133 00:06:26,139 --> 00:06:22,800 about x rays which are looking forward 134 00:06:28,820 --> 00:06:26,149 to hearing too and currents why we used 135 00:06:31,070 --> 00:06:28,830 AC and DC and all these sort of currents 136 00:06:33,469 --> 00:06:31,080 what's the inspiration behind all this 137 00:06:36,409 --> 00:06:33,479 first thing the you'd audience should 138 00:06:39,109 --> 00:06:36,419 know is that curious minds which is in 139 00:06:43,189 --> 00:06:39,119 english language podcast is actually my 140 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:43,199 second podcast my first podcast is one 141 00:06:49,459 --> 00:06:45,930 called making history it's in Hebrew and 142 00:06:51,909 --> 00:06:49,469 it's a it's been i've been doing making 143 00:06:56,239 --> 00:06:51,919 history for almost eight years now and 144 00:06:58,820 --> 00:06:56,249 making history is a as much as curious 145 00:07:02,899 --> 00:06:58,830 minds about technology and science and 146 00:07:06,350 --> 00:07:02,909 history so so making history has been on 147 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:06,360 the air for like um 170 148 00:07:11,510 --> 00:07:09,210 those about all dealing with yeah we 149 00:07:15,649 --> 00:07:11,520 thank you with subjects from the stupid 150 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:15,659 science mainly as well as a few skeptic 151 00:07:22,999 --> 00:07:20,490 step skepticism subjects as well and the 152 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:23,009 region the reason I chose those subjects 153 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:25,650 is mainly because let's say it's because 154 00:07:29,589 --> 00:07:27,120 of two reasons first time in the 155 00:07:32,029 --> 00:07:29,599 electronics engineer my profession 156 00:07:34,369 --> 00:07:32,039 that's the background I'm coming from 157 00:07:37,399 --> 00:07:34,379 and technology and science is something 158 00:07:39,469 --> 00:07:37,409 that have been it's been fascinating for 159 00:07:42,769 --> 00:07:39,479 me for sensor was you know little 160 00:07:45,429 --> 00:07:42,779 toddler and second I think is that 161 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:45,439 people often not don't realize how 162 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:48,810 interesting science and technology can 163 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:53,210 really be it's not about just facts and 164 00:08:01,540 --> 00:07:58,250 and maybe explaining you know dry 165 00:08:05,689 --> 00:08:01,550 subjects in science there are a lot of 166 00:08:08,779 --> 00:08:05,699 interesting and dramatic stories behind 167 00:08:11,570 --> 00:08:08,789 those subjects much like you mentioned 168 00:08:17,829 --> 00:08:11,580 the episode curious minds episode about 169 00:08:21,820 --> 00:08:17,839 the war of currents the story of why AC 170 00:08:24,170 --> 00:08:21,830 was chosen over DC as a method of 171 00:08:27,649 --> 00:08:24,180 transferring electricity to our homes 172 00:08:30,579 --> 00:08:27,659 it's actually a very dramatic story of a 173 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:30,589 fight between Nikola Tesla the famous 174 00:08:37,790 --> 00:08:35,130 Serbians that born scientist and Thomas 175 00:08:41,060 --> 00:08:37,800 Edison and it was a bitter fight and 176 00:08:43,180 --> 00:08:41,070 people may not even know they they might 177 00:08:47,199 --> 00:08:43,190 not even know about that dramatic story 178 00:08:49,970 --> 00:08:47,209 so for me as a storyteller yeah 179 00:08:52,699 --> 00:08:49,980 describing that that kind of a vicious 180 00:08:54,949 --> 00:08:52,709 fighting it was vicious vicious battle 181 00:08:57,639 --> 00:08:54,959 actually the first I don't know if the 182 00:09:00,740 --> 00:08:57,649 audience is aware of that but the first 183 00:09:05,509 --> 00:09:00,750 electric chair in the United States was 184 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:05,519 invented as part of the Edison's attempt 185 00:09:12,590 --> 00:09:09,410 to show that AC electricity is dangerous 186 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:12,600 so these guys invented by electronic 187 00:09:16,970 --> 00:09:14,730 check so there's a lot of very 188 00:09:18,769 --> 00:09:16,980 interesting in dramatic stories and I 189 00:09:21,129 --> 00:09:18,779 think that that's probably the reason 190 00:09:23,660 --> 00:09:21,139 why making history 191 00:09:27,199 --> 00:09:23,670 I'm happy to say very successful in 192 00:09:29,119 --> 00:09:27,209 Israel we've got off on almost 50,000 or 193 00:09:32,059 --> 00:09:29,129 even more than fifty thousand listeners 194 00:09:34,579 --> 00:09:32,069 per episode which is quite a lot for a 195 00:09:36,170 --> 00:09:34,589 small country such as Israel yes and I'm 196 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:36,180 pleased that you reminded me of course 197 00:09:40,369 --> 00:09:37,290 and I should have said it at the 198 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:40,379 beginning that the curious minds podcast 199 00:09:49,249 --> 00:09:44,970 by the way folks that's a ww c.m.p OD 200 00:09:51,049 --> 00:09:49,259 net that that is in English which is a 201 00:09:54,249 --> 00:09:51,059 great help for people like me because my 202 00:09:57,019 --> 00:09:54,259 Hebrew is in quite limited I'm a shame 203 00:09:59,869 --> 00:09:57,029 Shalom that's about it I think um and 204 00:10:03,739 --> 00:09:59,879 and was a little yeah hallelujah is it 205 00:10:07,639 --> 00:10:03,749 that's Hebrew is another yeah and and I 206 00:10:08,929 --> 00:10:07,649 was a very interested to hear the one 207 00:10:10,189 --> 00:10:08,939 episode I've heard and I'm looking 208 00:10:12,110 --> 00:10:10,199 forward to the others because I thought 209 00:10:13,429 --> 00:10:12,120 it was so well produced and I was just 210 00:10:16,100 --> 00:10:13,439 having a little chat to you before we 211 00:10:17,989 --> 00:10:16,110 came on air right now and how important 212 00:10:19,910 --> 00:10:17,999 that is to get your production up but 213 00:10:22,129 --> 00:10:19,920 the the lady you had reading and had a 214 00:10:25,009 --> 00:10:22,139 lovely speaking voice and she was a 215 00:10:29,179 --> 00:10:25,019 pleasure to listen to technically how do 216 00:10:33,829 --> 00:10:29,189 you go about recording your podcast this 217 00:10:36,799 --> 00:10:33,839 particular episode was Pro was recorded 218 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:36,809 in a professional studio radio stations 219 00:10:43,549 --> 00:10:40,170 to the studio in tel aviv but i also got 220 00:10:45,199 --> 00:10:43,559 a second narrator and name is kelly she 221 00:10:48,410 --> 00:10:45,209 is based in the United States in San 222 00:10:50,389 --> 00:10:48,420 Diego so we actually producing an 223 00:10:53,660 --> 00:10:50,399 episode with her is a bit more 224 00:10:55,429 --> 00:10:53,670 complicated we're recording at Harold 225 00:10:56,990 --> 00:10:55,439 she's recording locally and i'm 226 00:11:00,379 --> 00:10:57,000 recording locally and we're talking to 227 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:00,389 you skype which which means the sound 228 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:04,050 quality is fantastic yet the interaction 229 00:11:10,220 --> 00:11:07,290 between between us two hosts is rather 230 00:11:13,009 --> 00:11:10,230 difficult so i had to rewrite some of 231 00:11:16,189 --> 00:11:13,019 the episodes that i wrote initially to 232 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:16,199 fit for to a more let's say less 233 00:11:24,650 --> 00:11:19,290 interactive version of the two hosts hmm 234 00:11:28,009 --> 00:11:24,660 so yeah so I chose I chosen some sort of 235 00:11:30,860 --> 00:11:28,019 a different format for the show one in 236 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:30,870 which kelly and and sha Chi are the 237 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:34,250 deleting hosts and they they narrate 238 00:11:42,940 --> 00:11:37,610 goes to the show and and and me and I 239 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:42,950 appear on as in let's say I think the 240 00:11:47,860 --> 00:11:45,770 best analogy is when you assume only 241 00:11:51,220 --> 00:11:47,870 seeing the news right on the television 242 00:11:53,530 --> 00:11:51,230 didn't I didn't I clean ooh yeah and and 243 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:53,540 then the reporter comes on comes on in 244 00:11:59,080 --> 00:11:56,210 he's probably somewhere else is not in 245 00:12:02,050 --> 00:11:59,090 in the studio so the interaction between 246 00:12:06,190 --> 00:12:02,060 the reporter and had the anchor of the 247 00:12:08,260 --> 00:12:06,200 news show is is not immediate the 248 00:12:10,570 --> 00:12:08,270 audience doesn't expect them to be in 249 00:12:13,870 --> 00:12:10,580 the same place murano chose that that's 250 00:12:16,180 --> 00:12:13,880 what I'm oh I'm as if I'm in another 251 00:12:18,430 --> 00:12:16,190 studio it's different studio which means 252 00:12:21,460 --> 00:12:18,440 I get to play some funny games with it 253 00:12:24,190 --> 00:12:21,470 with the format there's for example one 254 00:12:27,730 --> 00:12:24,200 future episode will be airing it next 255 00:12:31,030 --> 00:12:27,740 week I am I'm it's as if I'm in stables 256 00:12:33,670 --> 00:12:31,040 all right and our podcasting studios 257 00:12:35,950 --> 00:12:33,680 have stables and I'm with a horribly 258 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:35,960 honor cords of course it's all fictional 259 00:12:41,620 --> 00:12:40,250 but it's nice well yes I know it you can 260 00:12:43,510 --> 00:12:41,630 have a lot of fun of course when you're 261 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:43,520 when you're doing the production as I do 262 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:46,010 on the skeptic zone sometimes I take 263 00:12:50,890 --> 00:12:48,650 liberties and it's all theater of the 264 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:50,900 mind I know that but there it is my way 265 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:53,330 of thinking and I'm glad we agree on 266 00:12:59,140 --> 00:12:55,490 this point that I it's good to have a 267 00:13:01,270 --> 00:12:59,150 good technical standard to a podcast so 268 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:01,280 it's not a chore to listen to but and 269 00:13:06,340 --> 00:13:04,010 then the content is is so important what 270 00:13:08,050 --> 00:13:06,350 what made you choose that the topic so 271 00:13:11,350 --> 00:13:08,060 far I mean we have an episode there on 272 00:13:15,070 --> 00:13:11,360 on x-rays I'm trying to to find out why 273 00:13:17,410 --> 00:13:15,080 you you chose the topics you did it's a 274 00:13:19,510 --> 00:13:17,420 it's a great privilege since I am the 275 00:13:22,630 --> 00:13:19,520 producer of the show and I was the one 276 00:13:25,660 --> 00:13:22,640 who started it I get to choose whatever 277 00:13:28,510 --> 00:13:25,670 is interesting tonight i know you're 278 00:13:31,390 --> 00:13:28,520 feeling and out of the feeling Zack and 279 00:13:34,060 --> 00:13:31,400 I've got no I've got no you know 280 00:13:37,030 --> 00:13:34,070 producer / me that's maybe overruling my 281 00:13:39,730 --> 00:13:37,040 judgment it's nice so I get yeah it's a 282 00:13:42,100 --> 00:13:39,740 fantastic feeling so in making history 283 00:13:45,449 --> 00:13:42,110 which already has a hundred and seventy 284 00:13:47,310 --> 00:13:45,459 episodes as I remind you I I got to do 285 00:13:50,940 --> 00:13:47,320 episodes which 286 00:13:54,620 --> 00:13:50,950 are widely different from from from 287 00:13:57,990 --> 00:13:54,630 other I think more more mainstream 288 00:14:00,950 --> 00:13:58,000 science and technology media channels 289 00:14:03,630 --> 00:14:00,960 such as National Geographic or discovery 290 00:14:06,060 --> 00:14:03,640 such as maybe I did an episode in the 291 00:14:08,370 --> 00:14:06,070 history on the history of LSD Oh which 292 00:14:13,170 --> 00:14:08,380 is a which is a touchy subject to know 293 00:14:15,330 --> 00:14:13,180 people take it quite seriously and I 294 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:15,340 think most of the things that I said in 295 00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:20,050 those episode would probably not be not 296 00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:22,510 probably be aired on him on a mainstream 297 00:14:29,340 --> 00:14:26,560 because I talked about I didn't take LSD 298 00:14:33,380 --> 00:14:29,350 in the show I mean not take didn't take 299 00:14:37,820 --> 00:14:33,390 LSD literally yeah but i didn't i didn't 300 00:14:42,030 --> 00:14:37,830 approach the subject of LSD from the 301 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:42,040 immediate viewpoint of LSD being bad 302 00:14:47,730 --> 00:14:44,770 it's bad so you can't you can't say good 303 00:14:50,460 --> 00:14:47,740 things about LSD but it does it turns 304 00:14:56,490 --> 00:14:50,470 out have a great potential to dealing 305 00:14:58,260 --> 00:14:56,500 with PTSD disorders and OCD sword is so 306 00:15:00,810 --> 00:14:58,270 you got to mention also the good stuff 307 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:00,820 right right of course that's very 308 00:15:06,690 --> 00:15:04,090 important now just as an aside of what 309 00:15:10,740 --> 00:15:06,700 is the URL for that particular podcast 310 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:10,750 for our Hebrew listeners it is run levy 311 00:15:18,990 --> 00:15:15,850 calm ra n l EV icom it'sit's started as 312 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:19,000 my own little show so it as my name on 313 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:22,930 it well certainly if you can take it now 314 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:24,370 i'll certainly put a link to that in the 315 00:15:29,700 --> 00:15:27,010 show notes together with the curious 316 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:29,710 minds actually in continuing of the 317 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:32,410 previous question i also got a deal with 318 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:34,570 several subjects which art which are 319 00:15:40,260 --> 00:15:37,810 very touchy in the sense of religion for 320 00:15:43,140 --> 00:15:40,270 example I mean atheists and any skeptics 321 00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:43,150 of greatest skeptic skeptic of course so 322 00:15:49,550 --> 00:15:46,720 I did an episode on on the literal truth 323 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:49,560 of the south of the Bible oh he has 324 00:15:56,750 --> 00:15:54,250 Israel's got a large percentage of 325 00:16:00,150 --> 00:15:56,760 percentage of the population which is 326 00:16:01,190 --> 00:16:00,160 religious and when I talked about the 327 00:16:04,260 --> 00:16:01,200 Bible and how 328 00:16:07,650 --> 00:16:04,270 most of the stuff written in it is not 329 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:07,660 literal truth it's more mythical stories 330 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:13,510 and that episode got many many responses 331 00:16:19,730 --> 00:16:15,850 and comments and some of them were quite 332 00:16:22,050 --> 00:16:19,740 angry because people take it indeed and 333 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:22,060 i don't think i don't think the 334 00:16:27,930 --> 00:16:25,690 mainstream media ever touches that 335 00:16:29,970 --> 00:16:27,940 subject in israel says it's it's it's a 336 00:16:32,940 --> 00:16:29,980 sensitive subject many of them of the 337 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:32,950 viewers and listeners might oppose this 338 00:16:38,100 --> 00:16:36,010 kind of conversation but being in an 339 00:16:40,579 --> 00:16:38,110 independent podcaster I can do whatever 340 00:16:43,620 --> 00:16:40,589 like same as the podcast idea about 341 00:16:48,750 --> 00:16:43,630 irregular which is a very famous 342 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:48,760 israeli-born oh we know your ISA says he 343 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:52,510 has unnatural power but maybe people in 344 00:16:57,450 --> 00:16:55,450 Israel don't don't get to hear maybe the 345 00:16:59,340 --> 00:16:57,460 the other side of the conversation I 346 00:17:00,750 --> 00:16:59,350 think in the mainstream media now that's 347 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:00,760 an interesting point and I'm glad you've 348 00:17:05,579 --> 00:17:03,250 raised it because I mean the skeptical 349 00:17:09,090 --> 00:17:05,589 community have known of Uri Geller faux 350 00:17:11,329 --> 00:17:09,100 fur forever it's it's part of the folk 351 00:17:14,069 --> 00:17:11,339 Lords why part of why we're here and 352 00:17:16,380 --> 00:17:14,079 when you study his methodology and what 353 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:16,390 he does it's it's it's it's sort of 354 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:18,130 drifting into history a lot now when I I 355 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:20,770 I bend spoons like you regular because 356 00:17:26,490 --> 00:17:22,809 once you learn it's it's not too hard 357 00:17:29,490 --> 00:17:26,500 and I find it fascinating to do because 358 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:29,500 when when I do it I get two reactions 359 00:17:33,780 --> 00:17:31,210 the first reaction is from older people 360 00:17:35,549 --> 00:17:33,790 who remember uri geller who are 361 00:17:38,370 --> 00:17:35,559 fascinated to see a spoon bending trick 362 00:17:43,230 --> 00:17:38,380 and the second reaction I get is from 363 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:43,240 mostly everybody else who have no idea 364 00:17:47,610 --> 00:17:45,130 what spoon bending is and have never 365 00:17:49,890 --> 00:17:47,620 heard a very Yeller what's the situation 366 00:17:54,450 --> 00:17:49,900 in Israel he is he still some big 367 00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:54,460 mythical character oh very much so says 368 00:17:59,370 --> 00:17:56,710 he's Israeli born and then international 369 00:18:02,430 --> 00:17:59,380 celebrity and and I'll be honest with 370 00:18:05,580 --> 00:18:02,440 you I mean the knee-jerk reaction is to 371 00:18:08,580 --> 00:18:05,590 be somewhat proud of a guy like Miguel 372 00:18:13,710 --> 00:18:08,590 it came from the same city i was born in 373 00:18:14,380 --> 00:18:13,720 and started you know as a regular Joe 374 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:14,390 yeah 375 00:18:20,590 --> 00:18:17,090 almost as everybody else and became an 376 00:18:22,510 --> 00:18:20,600 international star and that's it's a 377 00:18:24,820 --> 00:18:22,520 source of pride I guess for many 378 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:24,830 Israelis I he's I think he's better 379 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:27,170 known probably than many of Israel's 380 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:30,650 Nobel Prize winners you said say but 381 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:33,050 it's true you'd be absolutely right but 382 00:18:37,090 --> 00:18:34,730 I can I you know in a way I can 383 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:37,100 understand because when when somebody 384 00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:39,410 from this country makes it very big 385 00:18:44,830 --> 00:18:41,360 internationally like Hugh Jackman for 386 00:18:47,130 --> 00:18:44,840 example oh um then then we're also proud 387 00:18:50,530 --> 00:18:47,140 of him and and he's great and he's 388 00:18:52,300 --> 00:18:50,540 vitalized and all the rest of it so yeah 389 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:52,310 you know in a funny sort of way I can 390 00:18:55,630 --> 00:18:53,450 see that but I'm interested to know that 391 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:55,640 he's still very well known in Israel 392 00:19:00,700 --> 00:18:57,650 because the rest of the world I think 393 00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:00,710 he's largely forgotten now yeah he did 394 00:19:07,030 --> 00:19:04,400 in Israel about five or six years ago he 395 00:19:13,770 --> 00:19:07,040 had somewhat of a can of a comeback he 396 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:13,780 started sort of uh a late night show 397 00:19:19,870 --> 00:19:16,010 entertainment show finding the next 398 00:19:23,020 --> 00:19:19,880 Israel's great next supernatural psyche 399 00:19:25,420 --> 00:19:23,030 yeah and i think this same format was 400 00:19:30,790 --> 00:19:25,430 later exported i think to an English 401 00:19:32,830 --> 00:19:30,800 version but it started in Israel and so 402 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:32,840 he came he did a great comeback comeback 403 00:19:39,820 --> 00:19:37,010 and he is he's a i think a household 404 00:19:41,950 --> 00:19:39,830 name in his rayul sad to say but but 405 00:19:45,220 --> 00:19:41,960 nobody but really not many people know 406 00:19:49,660 --> 00:19:45,230 about james randi for example so that's 407 00:19:53,050 --> 00:19:49,670 why i did episode that i did was on the 408 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:53,060 story of a girl vs ran james randi i 409 00:19:59,290 --> 00:19:55,610 named the episode or regular vs james 410 00:20:02,860 --> 00:19:59,300 randi as and i pitted them a one against 411 00:20:04,990 --> 00:20:02,870 the other sense they do have a long 412 00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:05,000 history of rivalry between the personal 413 00:20:11,140 --> 00:20:07,760 rivalry yeah so that that was a dramatic 414 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:11,150 story which pitted or eagerly I think 415 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:14,450 not it's not very common in Israel but 416 00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:17,330 is there like you can't say the bad guy 417 00:20:22,750 --> 00:20:20,480 because it's not an marywood movie you 418 00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:22,760 didn't I'd like it's not a hero yeah 419 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:24,320 yeah you're not the hero I know you mean 420 00:20:26,510 --> 00:20:25,610 you didn't paint him in this great 421 00:20:28,850 --> 00:20:26,520 growing 422 00:20:31,550 --> 00:20:28,860 blowing salad yeah yeah interesting 423 00:20:34,820 --> 00:20:31,560 because I've had yeah I've had a few 424 00:20:36,370 --> 00:20:34,830 private chats with james randi over the 425 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:36,380 years and the topic of Uri Geller and 426 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:38,850 one day many years down the track I 427 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:40,890 might write some of those out there he 428 00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:42,770 certainly has an interesting thoughts on 429 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:46,710 unhurried killer yeah the rivalry 430 00:20:52,430 --> 00:20:49,290 between them was was thick mythical 431 00:20:55,610 --> 00:20:52,440 Indian in bit for the skeptic skeptic 432 00:20:59,630 --> 00:20:55,620 history James Randi was one of the first 433 00:21:03,700 --> 00:20:59,640 people who reveals the hooks on regular 434 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:03,710 on air in Johnny Carson's shows right 435 00:21:10,490 --> 00:21:07,290 1870s yes lights oh now maybe even the 436 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:10,500 mid 70s you know that's when Robert 437 00:21:15,710 --> 00:21:12,450 Gallo is I'm really burst onto the scene 438 00:21:17,980 --> 00:21:15,720 was the early 70s what what after it 439 00:21:21,860 --> 00:21:17,990 isn't anything into the fact is a 440 00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,870 celebrity status oh no it didn't well 441 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:23,520 there we are there's a great episode for 442 00:21:28,130 --> 00:21:25,170 a Hebrew listeners to certainly catch 443 00:21:30,380 --> 00:21:28,140 and what an interesting story that is 444 00:21:32,660 --> 00:21:30,390 and I was also interested to see when I 445 00:21:36,050 --> 00:21:32,670 was just having a quick browse around 446 00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:36,060 your website and and some information 447 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:39,360 that you're an author and you have 448 00:21:43,550 --> 00:21:41,250 written a book on a subject I find 449 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:43,560 fascinating and a subject that comes up 450 00:21:46,690 --> 00:21:45,210 here in Australia you know for the 451 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:46,700 Australian skeptics quite a lot 452 00:21:52,460 --> 00:21:49,290 surprisingly and this is perpetual 453 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:52,470 motion I what what an interesting very 454 00:21:57,050 --> 00:21:54,810 like this yeah well what can you tell me 455 00:21:58,520 --> 00:21:57,060 about some of your discoveries discovery 456 00:22:01,120 --> 00:21:58,530 so what can you tell me about some of 457 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:01,130 your researches into perpetual motion 458 00:22:06,860 --> 00:22:04,610 okay so just to commit to clarify for 459 00:22:09,290 --> 00:22:06,870 listeners who might not be familiar with 460 00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,300 the idea a perpetual motion device or 461 00:22:14,090 --> 00:22:11,520 machine is a machine which doesn't need 462 00:22:17,870 --> 00:22:14,100 external source of energy or any energy 463 00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:17,880 at all to prove to to do useful work ya 464 00:22:24,740 --> 00:22:22,080 think about a car without fuel yeah did 465 00:22:27,620 --> 00:22:24,750 you run without it it feels itself but 466 00:22:30,380 --> 00:22:27,630 yeah it fuels itself yeah so this this 467 00:22:32,690 --> 00:22:30,390 idea of a machine which needs no energy 468 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:32,700 perpetual motion machine is something 469 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:37,890 that inventors dream about for really 470 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:39,770 literally thousands of years 471 00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:42,050 the first ones that we know of from 472 00:22:47,950 --> 00:22:45,110 india more than thousand years ago so 473 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:47,960 it's it's a history do it's the subject 474 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:51,290 we'd reach very rich history and it 475 00:22:57,630 --> 00:22:54,130 fascinated me when I was the student in 476 00:23:01,140 --> 00:22:57,640 in the University in Israel's technion 477 00:23:04,980 --> 00:23:01,150 university learning electricity 478 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:04,990 electrical engineering and I came across 479 00:23:11,950 --> 00:23:10,090 one or two articles about machines and 480 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:11,960 chronically equipment which is 481 00:23:18,190 --> 00:23:16,370 supposedly a perpetual motion device and 482 00:23:20,260 --> 00:23:18,200 something that doesn't need batteries or 483 00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:20,270 something to work in it fascinated me 484 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:23,600 person and it was and I've always been 485 00:23:28,780 --> 00:23:26,210 writing you know for myself and short 486 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:28,790 stories etc so I said you know what 487 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:31,490 let's let's try and make it to the big 488 00:23:36,730 --> 00:23:34,130 time and write a whole book just it's 489 00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,740 not an easy project know about this 490 00:23:40,330 --> 00:23:38,480 subject of perpetual motion machine 491 00:23:44,830 --> 00:23:40,340 because the now as you might guess 492 00:23:47,170 --> 00:23:44,840 there's a lot of inherit drama in trying 493 00:23:49,630 --> 00:23:47,180 to do something which is impossible it 494 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:49,640 is impossible in scientific sense yet 495 00:23:56,220 --> 00:23:54,170 inventors it is very it's a very elusive 496 00:24:00,520 --> 00:23:56,230 kind of impossible being impossible 497 00:24:03,310 --> 00:24:00,530 since for for inventors especially guys 498 00:24:05,980 --> 00:24:03,320 who are gifted mechanics yes don't have 499 00:24:09,970 --> 00:24:05,990 any you don't have any real scientific 500 00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:09,980 education yeah for them it sounds it 501 00:24:15,340 --> 00:24:13,070 seems as if it should be possibly dude 502 00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:15,350 before is absolutely right and we get 503 00:24:23,380 --> 00:24:19,760 this time people in Australia I'm that 504 00:24:25,330 --> 00:24:23,390 book was was published probably seven or 505 00:24:29,230 --> 00:24:25,340 eight years ago and I'm still getting 506 00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:29,240 every year at least three or four 507 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:31,880 letters and males from inventors and I 508 00:24:39,610 --> 00:24:35,810 actually visited one inventor in Tel 509 00:24:42,340 --> 00:24:39,620 Aviv some I think two months ago and he 510 00:24:45,610 --> 00:24:42,350 invented a car which needs no fuel it 511 00:24:50,110 --> 00:24:45,620 runs on it's a classic I want one well 512 00:24:53,230 --> 00:24:50,120 yeah it runs on hydrogen yeah it is he 513 00:24:56,530 --> 00:24:53,240 has a small battery which 514 00:24:58,690 --> 00:24:56,540 forms hydrogen to oxygen and sorry truth 515 00:25:02,710 --> 00:24:58,700 transforms water into oxygen hydrogen 516 00:25:06,220 --> 00:25:02,720 and the car runs over it over that two 517 00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:06,230 chemicals and of course he has to refill 518 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:09,440 it every he has to refill the water 519 00:25:16,330 --> 00:25:13,010 every several days but he's sure is 520 00:25:18,970 --> 00:25:16,340 canto de lis convinced that with just a 521 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:18,980 bit of tweaking he might be able to run 522 00:25:23,530 --> 00:25:21,410 with one liter of water forever well 523 00:25:25,810 --> 00:25:23,540 it's amazing it's not a charlatan he 524 00:25:28,420 --> 00:25:25,820 really believes that I absolutely rocked 525 00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:28,430 with him yeah it doesn't do it for money 526 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:31,760 used for him himself yeah and and of 527 00:25:37,030 --> 00:25:34,490 course doing creating an engine that 528 00:25:40,990 --> 00:25:37,040 runs on hydrogen is potentially very 529 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:41,000 dangerous since hydrogen is very 530 00:25:47,940 --> 00:25:43,850 combusted and actually his wife told me 531 00:25:50,980 --> 00:25:47,950 that she wants uh started the motor on a 532 00:25:54,370 --> 00:25:50,990 son I think it was a shopping center 533 00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:54,380 parking lot and it stood there for 534 00:25:59,620 --> 00:25:57,200 probably two or three hours so a lot of 535 00:26:02,260 --> 00:25:59,630 hydrogen accumulated in the engine so 536 00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:02,270 when she which started the engine it 537 00:26:09,850 --> 00:26:05,510 gave such a large bang everybody in 538 00:26:13,330 --> 00:26:09,860 Vegas where the father was some kind of 539 00:26:16,990 --> 00:26:13,340 disaster or something well but not not a 540 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:17,000 good thing to do in in that region right 541 00:26:22,930 --> 00:26:20,330 probably quite dangerous but but the 542 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:22,940 stories that I found during my research 543 00:26:29,710 --> 00:26:26,090 on the book are fascinating and it the 544 00:26:31,810 --> 00:26:29,720 balance is probably 5050 between real 545 00:26:33,910 --> 00:26:31,820 inventors who have good invent 546 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:33,920 intentions and not really trying to 547 00:26:39,340 --> 00:26:35,930 create something which they think it's 548 00:26:44,050 --> 00:26:39,350 possible to the other population of 549 00:26:46,020 --> 00:26:44,060 charlatans who who prey on investors and 550 00:26:48,790 --> 00:26:46,030 I think this is probably the most 551 00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:48,800 interesting as well these stories as 552 00:26:55,690 --> 00:26:52,510 you've gotten many many charlatans who 553 00:26:58,510 --> 00:26:55,700 who take take it advantage of people who 554 00:27:00,520 --> 00:26:58,520 have lots of money and sometimes to 555 00:27:03,940 --> 00:27:00,530 really want to use that money to help 556 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:03,950 humanity and of course there isn't I 557 00:27:10,260 --> 00:27:06,890 guess a much better gift 558 00:27:13,890 --> 00:27:10,270 of humanity than an unlimited source of 559 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:13,900 machine that can do unlimited work and 560 00:27:21,210 --> 00:27:17,810 those stories are fascinating I mean I 561 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:21,220 found things that I never knew existed 562 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:25,610 even in the 19th century such as maybe 563 00:27:32,260 --> 00:27:29,090 you've heard about John Kelly I think 564 00:27:35,890 --> 00:27:32,270 his name was John Kelly who was very 565 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:35,900 famous in the late 19th century he 566 00:27:46,660 --> 00:27:40,490 invented a device which runs on he said 567 00:27:49,540 --> 00:27:46,670 it's a cosmic energy cosmic so this one 568 00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:49,550 is quite popular even today it's called 569 00:27:55,660 --> 00:27:51,470 now I think they call it now vacuum 570 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:55,670 energy or zero point energy but that 571 00:28:01,300 --> 00:27:57,890 that's that what he called it back then 572 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:01,310 and and his machine attracted many 573 00:28:07,780 --> 00:28:04,850 people and he got investments in 574 00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:07,790 millions of dollars which in in the 575 00:28:12,850 --> 00:28:10,220 terms of money from the 19th century is 576 00:28:14,740 --> 00:28:12,860 probably tens and thousands or hundreds 577 00:28:18,730 --> 00:28:14,750 of millions of dollars from investors 578 00:28:21,730 --> 00:28:18,740 and just after he died the day after he 579 00:28:23,710 --> 00:28:21,740 died when the inventors ransacked his 580 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:23,720 laboratory trying to find the secrets 581 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:27,170 that grin Duran all the machines they 582 00:28:36,610 --> 00:28:32,810 found a huge huge container of gas gas 583 00:28:39,970 --> 00:28:36,620 bubble balloon of gas a container which 584 00:28:43,030 --> 00:28:39,980 contained condensed air which was huge 585 00:28:45,820 --> 00:28:43,040 was like a ton of two tons of condensed 586 00:28:47,740 --> 00:28:45,830 air just underneath the floor of his 587 00:28:51,370 --> 00:28:47,750 laboratory that condensed air 588 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:51,380 pressurized air was actually drove all 589 00:28:58,180 --> 00:28:54,170 the machines here people were so 590 00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,190 depressed untold sums of money well gone 591 00:29:02,830 --> 00:29:00,320 I mean it's it's so interesting that 592 00:29:05,710 --> 00:29:02,840 hear you say this because this is 593 00:29:07,540 --> 00:29:05,720 mirrored in with the experiences we've 594 00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,550 had in Australia and not so many years 595 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:09,440 ago and skeptics and listeners may 596 00:29:14,980 --> 00:29:12,410 remember this we were reporting on a mr. 597 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:14,990 Rossi who invented something called i 598 00:29:20,380 --> 00:29:18,050 believe the e-cat and one of our 599 00:29:22,330 --> 00:29:20,390 investigators here in Austria 600 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:22,340 in Bryce certainly was involved in this 601 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:24,290 country in any way in trying to put it 602 00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,410 to investors the reality behind all this 603 00:29:32,170 --> 00:29:29,360 stuff if you come across mr. Rossi an 604 00:29:35,050 --> 00:29:32,180 easy cut yes yes or some Facebook is a 605 00:29:38,020 --> 00:29:35,060 rife with the mentions of him and his 606 00:29:40,540 --> 00:29:38,030 success and I've gotten out I almost 607 00:29:42,790 --> 00:29:40,550 weekly I've got I'm getting some 608 00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:42,800 somebody sending in an email what about 609 00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:46,310 Rossi maybe he's real and I mean my guy 610 00:29:52,780 --> 00:29:50,240 I says he doesn't publish almost really 611 00:29:55,420 --> 00:29:52,790 anything substantial about his work with 612 00:29:57,610 --> 00:29:55,430 the e-cat except when he needs probably 613 00:30:01,030 --> 00:29:57,620 to raise money from investors of some 614 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:01,040 yeah I can't really tell what is he what 615 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:04,610 our claims are he probably didn't invent 616 00:30:09,490 --> 00:30:07,210 anything new it doesn't it doesn't feel 617 00:30:11,410 --> 00:30:09,500 it doesn't you don't get the same 618 00:30:13,540 --> 00:30:11,420 feeling as a scientist who invented 619 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:13,550 something new since the day he's very 620 00:30:20,260 --> 00:30:17,330 secretive and he's got that angle of the 621 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:20,270 establishment is going against elaborate 622 00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:21,770 conspiracy theory always comes around 623 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:24,110 here yeah yeah yeah but but it is an 624 00:30:28,860 --> 00:30:26,450 interesting story so maybe when the when 625 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:28,870 we hear something more in the future 626 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:32,090 more substantial I might make an episode 627 00:30:37,270 --> 00:30:34,610 of curious minds about history because 628 00:30:39,550 --> 00:30:37,280 it is interesting well I'll tell you 629 00:30:41,140 --> 00:30:39,560 what I'll do I will certainly put you in 630 00:30:42,910 --> 00:30:41,150 touch with our chief investigator 631 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:42,920 mysterion Bryce because he has been 632 00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,410 investigating free energy zero-point 633 00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:47,360 energy over-unity energy or these terms 634 00:30:51,490 --> 00:30:49,760 for the best part of 30 years I think 635 00:30:53,620 --> 00:30:51,500 and he has a lot of information about 636 00:30:56,590 --> 00:30:53,630 his investigation so I think that might 637 00:30:58,930 --> 00:30:56,600 be good well listen run it's been really 638 00:31:00,520 --> 00:30:58,940 nice to meet you and to have a chat with 639 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:00,530 you for the skeptics on folks that 640 00:31:04,750 --> 00:31:02,570 website which I can recommend the 641 00:31:06,220 --> 00:31:04,760 podcast is great I've just subscribed in 642 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:06,230 fact i'm looking forward to hearing the 643 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:08,210 rest of the episodes that's curious 644 00:31:16,270 --> 00:31:13,970 minds and that's at wwc mpo DCM pod net 645 00:31:18,370 --> 00:31:16,280 and I'm think you'll agree with me 646 00:31:20,110 --> 00:31:18,380 that's a fascinating show and the 647 00:31:22,150 --> 00:31:20,120 episodes are about 45 minutes long so 648 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:22,160 it's a good episode listen to why you're 649 00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,410 commuting or or running around the block 650 00:31:29,710 --> 00:31:26,960 or something like that thank you and the 651 00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:29,720 future I can already reveal to your 652 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:31,910 listeners that future episodes in the 653 00:31:37,580 --> 00:31:33,690 next couple of weeks we 654 00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:37,590 deal with the history of poisons which 655 00:31:44,409 --> 00:31:41,279 is fascinating from history historical 656 00:31:46,629 --> 00:31:44,419 and biological subjects and also 657 00:31:50,269 --> 00:31:46,639 information digital information 658 00:31:52,129 --> 00:31:50,279 preservation which is this topic not 659 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:52,139 many people understand yet its 660 00:31:57,980 --> 00:31:54,450 importance I mean we all take pictures 661 00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:57,990 and and and and videos yet they don't 662 00:32:02,509 --> 00:32:00,960 understand I think the challenges of 663 00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:02,519 keeping them for the next hundred years 664 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:05,340 I think wow grand ranch I think you're 665 00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:07,769 also a Roger you're right because I 666 00:32:13,580 --> 00:32:10,710 about 10 years ago I was very much into 667 00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:13,590 making videos on mini DV tapes which was 668 00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,440 the great technology of the time and now 669 00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:18,000 I've got all these papers and I have I 670 00:32:22,369 --> 00:32:20,549 can't I can't access them so it's true 671 00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:22,379 it's true it's true at least you're not 672 00:32:29,779 --> 00:32:26,159 the BBC did the British BBC who invested 673 00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:29,789 a hundred or two hundred million pounds 674 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:33,539 on laserdisc technology which went 675 00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,450 bankrupt up two years later oh boy I 676 00:32:41,180 --> 00:32:38,399 remember this Ron it's been a great 677 00:32:44,509 --> 00:32:41,190 pleasure and it once again folks www.c 678 00:33:08,080 --> 00:32:44,519 import net and but for now run living 679 00:33:14,060 --> 00:33:11,120 hello Richard and all the listeners of 680 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:14,070 skeptic zone my name is Ron levy and I'm 681 00:33:19,460 --> 00:33:17,010 the producer and co-host of curious mind 682 00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:19,470 it's about cast about science technology 683 00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:25,830 and history at wwc em-pod cmp OD dot net 684 00:33:30,289 --> 00:33:28,049 each episode will bring you interesting 685 00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:30,299 stories from a wide range of subjects 686 00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:33,360 from physics astronomy and medicine from 687 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:35,820 arts to science fiction we strive for 688 00:33:40,010 --> 00:33:37,650 the highest production values both in 689 00:33:42,740 --> 00:33:40,020 content and in delivery we already have 690 00:33:45,260 --> 00:33:42,750 on the air episodes about German u-boats 691 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:45,270 in Second World War about the history of 692 00:33:52,419 --> 00:33:48,330 x-rays and the war of currents between 693 00:34:05,439 --> 00:33:52,429 Tesla and Edison come and have a listen 694 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:08,029 welcome to a week in science from our 695 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:10,169 aisles bringing you the science you need 696 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:12,690 to know diet seemed to fall in and out 697 00:34:18,740 --> 00:34:15,210 of fashion on a regular basis making it 698 00:34:21,210 --> 00:34:18,750 hard to pick fact or fiction 699 00:34:23,369 --> 00:34:21,220 first let's look at the intermittent 700 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:23,379 fasting principle which inspired the 701 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:26,290 popular 52 diet basically you eat 702 00:34:31,260 --> 00:34:28,330 normally for five days of the week and 703 00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,270 eat just 500 to 600 calories on the 704 00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,520 other two days that's equal to just 705 00:34:38,010 --> 00:34:35,440 porridge with fruit for breakfast and 706 00:34:40,050 --> 00:34:38,020 vegetable soup for dinner studies using 707 00:34:42,590 --> 00:34:40,060 rodents have shown that a restricted 708 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:42,600 calorie diet can help increase lifespan 709 00:34:47,609 --> 00:34:45,310 protect against cognitive decline like 710 00:34:50,580 --> 00:34:47,619 dementia and possibly protect against 711 00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:50,590 diabetes but these results haven't been 712 00:34:57,150 --> 00:34:54,639 shown in humans in fact a 2011 UK study 713 00:34:58,830 --> 00:34:57,160 found that intermittent fasting showed 714 00:35:01,230 --> 00:34:58,840 no greater weight loss or health 715 00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:01,240 benefits than a normal low-calorie diet 716 00:35:06,510 --> 00:35:03,910 fasting also tends to make people over 717 00:35:08,849 --> 00:35:06,520 eat on normal days and can lead to side 718 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:08,859 effects such as dehydration extreme 719 00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:13,450 tiredness and anxiety next let's talk 720 00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,369 about the popular juice cleanse diet 721 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:17,440 which was the second most googled in 722 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:20,290 2013 the idea is that you just drink 723 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:22,210 fruit and vegetable juices for up to a 724 00:35:26,670 --> 00:35:24,490 week aiming to detox your body and 725 00:35:29,070 --> 00:35:26,680 kickstart weight loss it works out to 726 00:35:31,020 --> 00:35:29,080 about a thousand calories a day making 727 00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:31,030 it another starvation diet which 728 00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:32,800 accredited dieticians think are a 729 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:35,710 terrible idea juice diets also claimed 730 00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:37,810 that liquefying your food helps you to 731 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:40,480 absorb nutrients more easily giving your 732 00:35:45,330 --> 00:35:43,090 guts a rest there is absolutely no 733 00:35:47,940 --> 00:35:45,340 scientific evidence to back these claims 734 00:35:49,890 --> 00:35:47,950 in fact juicing eliminates valuable 735 00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,900 antioxidants from the fruit skin and 736 00:35:55,290 --> 00:35:52,000 removes fiber which is essential for 737 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:55,300 good digestion and now for diet detox 738 00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,210 Australians are expected to spend six 739 00:36:05,820 --> 00:36:02,320 point six billion dollars on the weight 740 00:36:08,370 --> 00:36:05,830 loss industry in the 2013-2014 financial 741 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:08,380 year there is no evidence that detox 742 00:36:13,290 --> 00:36:10,930 diets do anything our liver skin 743 00:36:15,690 --> 00:36:13,300 intestines and kidneys already feel to 744 00:36:18,810 --> 00:36:15,700 waste products effectively making it a 745 00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:18,820 bit of a sham a 2007 study found that 746 00:36:22,650 --> 00:36:20,680 nearly thirty percent of food ads 747 00:36:24,980 --> 00:36:22,660 carried health claims that weren't 748 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:24,990 allowed under current food standards and 749 00:36:30,540 --> 00:36:27,970 beware almost anyone can claim they are 750 00:36:33,060 --> 00:36:30,550 a dietician or nutritionist in Australia 751 00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,070 as they're not legally protected titles 752 00:36:37,590 --> 00:36:35,440 if you want a University qualified 753 00:36:41,790 --> 00:36:37,600 professional look for an accredited 754 00:36:44,130 --> 00:36:41,800 practising dietitian that's it for this 755 00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,140 week in science for more information on 756 00:36:50,850 --> 00:36:46,480 diets and detox go to the our oils 757 00:36:53,220 --> 00:36:50,860 website RI aus org dot a you follow us 758 00:36:54,930 --> 00:36:53,230 on Twitter and like us on Facebook I'm 759 00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:54,940 cure and groom and we'll catch you next 760 00:37:06,010 --> 00:37:03,130 are you tired waiting for the end of the 761 00:37:08,530 --> 00:37:06,020 world is the grain nano gue coming for 762 00:37:10,450 --> 00:37:08,540 you or are you just annoyed by those 763 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:10,460 hordes of undead or the color of the 764 00:37:15,810 --> 00:37:12,890 moon or even swarms of assorted Bibble 765 00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:15,820 insects could that silly movie 2012 766 00:37:21,850 --> 00:37:19,190 actually have any basis of reality or 767 00:37:23,350 --> 00:37:21,860 will the machine to rule us all for 768 00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:23,360 these questions are fine we can down 769 00:37:27,550 --> 00:37:25,250 more come to the New Zealand skeptics 770 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:27,560 society 2015 annual conference 771 00:37:32,980 --> 00:37:30,490 Christchurch 20th 222nd November 772 00:37:35,020 --> 00:37:32,990 evidence shows that we even have a real 773 00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:35,030 scientist speaking on fantastic topics 774 00:37:38,650 --> 00:37:37,040 when the echoing hoofbeats of the four 775 00:37:40,270 --> 00:37:38,660 gender neutral equations of the 776 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:40,280 apocalypse ring out across the world 777 00:37:47,650 --> 00:37:43,250 where will you be christchurch new 778 00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:47,660 zealand 22 22nd november apocalypse how 779 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:49,760 after all with the go to place for 780 00:37:54,970 --> 00:37:51,530 natural disasters for further details 781 00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:54,980 visit conference skeptics dot nzd resume 782 00:37:58,060 --> 00:37:56,510 the skeptics society is a charitable 783 00:38:00,070 --> 00:37:58,070 organization that exists to promote 784 00:38:03,220 --> 00:38:00,080 critical thinking the devil is not real 785 00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:03,230 on Maynard com au it's time for Tim 786 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:09,680 Ferguson's right of reply you know those 787 00:38:14,620 --> 00:38:11,450 people who are wearing the V for 788 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:14,630 Vendetta masks anonymous anonymous they 789 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:16,610 call themselves anonymous which really 790 00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,330 should be calling themselves 791 00:38:25,110 --> 00:38:22,000 but they had to actually put a label to 792 00:38:27,660 --> 00:38:25,120 it look anonymous people this is this is 793 00:38:30,330 --> 00:38:27,670 great good on you for carrying on like a 794 00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,340 pack of 14 year olds in your bedroom who 795 00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:32,560 are having a little tantrum about the 796 00:38:38,730 --> 00:38:34,990 things you don't like good on you for 797 00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:38,740 hacking good on you for downloading good 798 00:38:42,990 --> 00:38:40,420 on you for doing all the things that 799 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:43,000 decent people regard as you know mildly 800 00:38:48,540 --> 00:38:46,330 annoying a naughty the fact is if you 801 00:38:51,420 --> 00:38:48,550 are going to stand up if you're going to 802 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:51,430 protest put your own personal name on it 803 00:38:55,350 --> 00:38:53,650 otherwise shut up because nobody needs 804 00:38:58,530 --> 00:38:55,360 to worry about something called 805 00:39:00,240 --> 00:38:58,540 anonymous it's not like you're Isis 806 00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:00,250 walking around a whole bunch of black 807 00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:03,420 masks you're just a bunch of dweebs 808 00:39:07,980 --> 00:39:06,220 banding together hoping that wearing a 809 00:39:10,830 --> 00:39:07,990 beef vendetta mask is somehow 810 00:39:13,050 --> 00:39:10,840 threatening anybody a protester puts 811 00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:13,060 their name on it otherwise they'd go 812 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:15,760 back inside and do their homework that's 813 00:39:23,340 --> 00:39:18,130 Tim Ferguson's write a reply letting you 814 00:39:27,050 --> 00:39:23,350 know what's what what for that said I 815 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:27,060 think natalie portman's just wonderful 816 00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:43,130 thank you for listening to the skeptic 817 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:46,260 zone this week and in the coming weeks 818 00:39:53,779 --> 00:39:50,010 it promises to be a veritable plethora 819 00:39:55,819 --> 00:39:53,789 of interviews a plethora of interviews a 820 00:39:59,900 --> 00:39:55,829 gaggle of interviews a group of 821 00:40:01,069 --> 00:39:59,910 collection a submission I'm sure you can 822 00:40:04,009 --> 00:40:01,079 come up with something better than that 823 00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:04,019 folks not only will we be chatting to 824 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:06,180 people at skeptics in the pub when Susan 825 00:40:11,539 --> 00:40:09,690 Kovac comes to visit in a few days we'll 826 00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:11,549 be heading up to Brisbane in just two 827 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:14,250 weeks time to be at the Australian 828 00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:16,170 skeptics National Convention and imagine 829 00:40:19,099 --> 00:40:17,700 all the wonderful interviews we're going 830 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:19,109 to be getting there may not we'll be 831 00:40:24,259 --> 00:40:20,730 running around all this microphone Joe 832 00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:24,269 and Heidi as well it promises to be a 833 00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:27,260 fantastic weekend I hope you'll be there 834 00:40:32,359 --> 00:40:30,180 again just Google Australian skeptics 835 00:40:34,460 --> 00:40:32,369 convention in Brisbane and there'll be 836 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:34,470 links on the show notes to get your 837 00:40:38,839 --> 00:40:36,569 ticket sir Eugenie Scott will be 838 00:40:42,140 --> 00:40:38,849 speaking Joe Nickell will be speaking 839 00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:42,150 and a host of interesting skeptics well 840 00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:44,460 I think Fred's woken up again are you 841 00:40:55,789 --> 00:40:53,900 threads are sort of the cat that doesn't 842 00:41:03,650 --> 00:40:55,799 meow on cue but he might sniff the 843 00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:03,660 microphone yeah come here I'll put you 844 00:41:10,009 --> 00:41:08,220 down egg and the fury Fred the cat fans 845 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:10,019 that was your Fred fix for this week he 846 00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:14,250 got a meal for his friend he's not that 847 00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:16,079 sort of cat he doesn't perform on demand 848 00:41:23,089 --> 00:41:20,609 oh no he's scratching the couch you know 849 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:23,099 this is a friend in action and he's gone 850 00:41:29,029 --> 00:41:26,450 back to sleep alright so until next week 851 00:41:30,349 --> 00:41:29,039 you're right there front until next week 852 00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:30,359 thank you for listening this is Richard 853 00:41:36,860 --> 00:41:32,460 Saunders signing off from Sydney 854 00:41:43,020 --> 00:41:39,270 you've been listening to the skeptics 855 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:43,030 own podcast visit our website at wwc a 856 00:41:49,380 --> 00:41:45,970 petting zoo TV for contacts an archive 857 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:49,390 of all episodes since 2008 and our 858 00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,090 online store please support the skeptic 859 00:41:57,180 --> 00:41:54,000 zone by following us on twitter at 860 00:42:00,810 --> 00:41:57,190 skeptic zone liking us on facebook and 861 00:42:02,970 --> 00:42:00,820 leaving a review on iTunes you can also 862 00:42:06,140 --> 00:42:02,980 show your support by subscribing via 863 00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:06,150 paypal for as little as 99 cents a week 864 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:08,950 the skeptic zone is an independent 865 00:42:12,990 --> 00:42:10,570 production the views and opinions 866 00:42:15,060 --> 00:42:13,000 expressed 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